For all the facts Levitt doesn’t want you to know, see http://www.iSteve.com/abortion.htm

Jesus says to give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar. Yet He didn’t say HOW MUCH belonged to Ceasar. That would mean the amount is to be set by whom? Do you think its against Jesus’ teaching to lower taxes? Show me where scripture teaches that if the govt. wants to tax you to death, that we have no choice but to accept it without availing ourselves of the system of govt. created to represent us. Then we can discuss how govt. wealth redistribution schemes are what Jesus was talking about when He commanded us to care for the poor.

However, if there is a question I’d like you to answer, it would be this: Do you think God and Jesus, who are one and the same, place no value on the unborn? Do you think they are apathetic towards a procedure that destroys their creation on a whim? I asked it before and received no answer. So I’m wondering if you have one.

“I don’t recall Jesus saying anything at all about how the government should operate.”

I don’t either, Wildwest, I do know that the Bible discusses how we should live under submission to authorities.

My point was that for liberals, or “progressives,” whatever they are calling themselves today, to assume that because some conservatives would prefer that we follow Jesus’ teachings that we should help the poor and needy, widows and children on a personal basis, as his teachings were intended, rather than through government entitlements translates that they don’t care at all about the poor and needy and in fact as “Pandora” stated: “they think those women and children should just starve to death” was way over the top, and I believe an intentional effort to start an argument. I stand by that remark.

Not everyone has the same political beliefs regarding how best to administer assistance to the poor, but her suggesting because some people don’t view government entitlements as the way to administer assistance that they just don’t care about the poor at all and want them to die is ignorant AT BEST.

“i have been watching this with much amusement. listening to christians debate abortion is definitely entertaining. you get to see just how unchristian they can become when someone doesn’t agree with them. amazingly it always seems to be those ‘red staters’ that get really hostile.”

Are you serious, Pandora??? Lol. I didn’t just fall off of a red stater turnip truck last Tuesday. Both “Progressives” and Conservatives can be hostile.

Pandora writes:

“and it gets funnier when christians start complaining about welfare. the bible says to give to caesar what is caesar’s. christians shouldn’t complain about helping the poor or even paying their taxes. i think someone forgot to tell the ‘conservatives’ that though. they forget about giving with charity in their hearts and not letting the one hand know what the other is doing. they think those women and children should just starve to death. real jesus-like.”

What seems “un-Jesus-like” to me are those who judge Conservatives to be uncaring about the needy because they feel it should be up to individuals to offer charity and support to them rather than government. I can cite, as I’m sure you can where Jesus calls upon us to help the poor and needy in their need, as well as widows and CHILDREN. Can you cite scripture wherein Jesus calls on the government to do that for the believer and wherein Jesus states that when government does so that it absolves the believer of any further personal responsibility? I didn’t think so.

By the way, I find it is usually the ones who make generalizations about whole groups of people in an effort to incite anger in others to be responsible for the instigation of many arguments in debate. What did you intend to accomplish by labeling “red staters” as the ones who are more likely to be hostile? Further, in the same sentence that you state that Jesus, or God will judge people, you seem to be judging the personal relationships of “most” Christians by stating they aren’t really Christians at all. It just seems to me that you could stand to take a little of your own advice and watch out for the plank in your own eye, Sister, but then again, who the heck am I to judge!? Ah’m jest wun a them thar stoopid red state, rednecks, Ah gess, ya no, whut pays thar taxes and watches the guvmint spend tha proceeds ta tak care uv tha poor fer me sow Ah don’t hafta worry ’bout et. :::eyeroll:::

what is even funnier is reading the logic. one minute the old testament law proves this but in the next instance jesus gets thrown in and the old testament law is fulfilled. that only lasts until someone needs another old testament law to prove a point. then they forget all about jesus.

and it gets funnier when christians start complaining about welfare. the bible says to give to caesar what is caesar’s. christians shouldn’t complain about helping the poor or even paying their taxes. i think someone forgot to tell the ‘conservatives’ that though. they forget about giving with charity in their hearts and not letting the one hand know what the other is doing. they think those women and children should just starve to death. real jesus-like.

most christians aren’t really christians. to be a christian one must be a follower of christ and most christians don’t even come close. even christ did not judge and said so himself. he did not judge even though his own judgement would be right. one day he will judge. he will judge those that refused to believe in him and those that claimed to but really didn’t. and you really don’t believe in christ when you don’t follow the example he set for us.

christ was about love and loving one another. he was about grace and forgiveness. try showing a little sometime and treating each other as christ would treat you. you might find then that politics are of the world and all this ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ trash is just that. trash.

Poor moms and kids are the “widows and orphans” of our time.

I wasn’t referring to any “back alley coat hanger guy” and his numbers, but to current studies that compare countries with legal abortion and those without it.

I already discussed in an earlier post about what will happen with abortion rights turned over to states. Some states will not outlaw it (California, for example) and people from other states will flock there for abortions.

Roe may very well be overturned. If it is, we’ll be seeing lots more babies born to poor women in red states. Are we ready to support those babies with prenatal care for their mothers, and day care once they are born so that their mothers can work, or other financial support so they can stay home? Or do we not care about babies once they’re born?