Comments on: Christian Morality is Not About Sex http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210 a Christian blog for the rest of us Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:00:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brent http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-65063 Brent Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:12:23 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-65063 Americans finally realize the try-before-you-buy works just as well with sex as it does with commodities. Rather than marrying and then shacking up with hot sex coming after the nuptuals, Americans are increasingly putting out before putting on the wedding rings.Women are just as likely as men to get it on before matrimony. I think this is just the sign of the times. I mean, we like to test things, try them out, before making a purchase. Why should sex and marriage be any different? The stigma associated with pre-marital sex is dead. Long live free love! Americans finally realize the try-before-you-buy works just as well with sex as it does with commodities. Rather than marrying and then shacking up with hot sex coming after the nuptuals, Americans are increasingly putting out before putting on the wedding rings.Women are just as likely as men to get it on before matrimony.
I think this is just the sign of the times. I mean, we like to test things, try them out, before making a purchase. Why should sex and marriage be any different? The stigma associated with pre-marital sex is dead. Long live free love!

]]> By: S http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-7082 S Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:02:54 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-7082 One other comment, having read some of the other comments. I AM a socialist and a socialistic country is what I want. A lot has been said along the lines of 'the more money I have the more good I can do myself, and better than the government can to'. The truth is, do you? How many people can actually keep up with current affairs to know every area that requires spending to engender equality? If the government took and gave nothing and the citizen had full responsibility for giving, only those tradgedies exciting enough to make the evening new would receive any help. And I would challenge most people who say they would give more if they were taxed less. The USAs percentage of charity giving to population is woefully low compared to Europe, and Europes woefully below the requirements neccesary to engender world wide equality. One final point to the pious, a lot of talk about katrina, but who has given to kashmir, a tragicly poor and conflict torn region that has been all but wiped out by an earthquake. With winter coming and thousands entirely homeless and possesionless. The emount given by the people and governments of the world will ensure that the majority of them die this winter. And still, every US website with, donate to katrina fund links, wheres the compassion for kashmir? The Irish government gave the US millions of Euros after katrina, millions of euros to the richest country in the world, what has it given to pakistan? 0. One other comment, having read some of the other comments.
I AM a socialist and a socialistic country is what I want. A lot has been said along the lines of ‘the more money I have the more good I can do myself, and better than the government can to’. The truth is, do you?
How many people can actually keep up with current affairs to know every area that requires spending to engender equality? If the government took and gave nothing and the citizen had full responsibility for giving, only those tradgedies exciting enough to make the evening new would receive any help.
And I would challenge most people who say they would give more if they were taxed less. The USAs percentage of charity giving to population is woefully low compared to Europe, and Europes woefully below the requirements neccesary to engender world wide equality.
One final point to the pious, a lot of talk about katrina, but who has given to kashmir, a tragicly poor and conflict torn region that has been all but wiped out by an earthquake. With winter coming and thousands entirely homeless and possesionless. The emount given by the people and governments of the world will ensure that the majority of them die this winter. And still, every US website with, donate to katrina fund links, wheres the compassion for kashmir?
The Irish government gave the US millions of Euros after katrina, millions of euros to the richest country in the world, what has it given to pakistan? 0.

]]> By: S http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-7081 S Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:53:52 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-7081 Bravo! As a non-Christian of Christian upbringing I have always attemped to maintain a Christian pattern of morality about my life, beleiving that you don't need to worship a cross between folkloric mythology and a 2000 years dead middle eastern man to agree with a lot he said (or what was written that he said). It has always dumbfounded me that so many people who actually do define themselves as Christian fall so far outside the parameters of Christian morality themselves, prefering to creativley interperret old testament passages as a vindication of their predjudices against gay people (I've read lots of the bible and there is very little said about or against concensual gay relations) than to actually take on the trails of living to the standards of Christian morality themselves. Bravo! As a non-Christian of Christian upbringing I have always attemped to maintain a Christian pattern of morality about my life, beleiving that you don’t need to worship a cross between folkloric mythology and a 2000 years dead middle eastern man to agree with a lot he said (or what was written that he said).
It has always dumbfounded me that so many people who actually do define themselves as Christian fall so far outside the parameters of Christian morality themselves, prefering to creativley interperret old testament passages as a vindication of their predjudices against gay people (I’ve read lots of the bible and there is very little said about or against concensual gay relations) than to actually take on the trails of living to the standards of Christian morality themselves.

]]> By: Rob French http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6311 Rob French Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:09:25 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6311 Haven't read through all the comments, I apologize. Just commenting on the original post. Jesus calls us to an obedience of -both- the letter and the Spirit of the Law. The issue here is not pitting Christ against the Mosaic Law, the Levitical Law, or a so-called Pauline Law. First, if Christianity as presented in the New Testament is in fact "new", then we have little reason to follow it; that is, it builds on the Old Testament and is not apart from it. We recognize the truth of the New Testament in part due to its continuity with the Old. Christ never pits the letter against the spirit or vice versa. What He does do is pit the -true- Law of God against the "laws" of human traditions, which were the -additional- writings and teachings of the scribes and pharisees (now known as the Talmud). True, some of the Law has passed away, as it was but shadows and forms of the truth manifested in Christ. Not committing adultery, by way of example, is NOT one of those types of Laws. There is no conflict between Spirit and Letter. Can't have one without the other, can't "obey" one without the other. -Rob Haven’t read through all the comments, I apologize. Just commenting on the original post.

Jesus calls us to an obedience of -both- the letter and the Spirit of the Law. The issue here is not pitting Christ against the Mosaic Law, the Levitical Law, or a so-called Pauline Law.

First, if Christianity as presented in the New Testament is in fact “new”, then we have little reason to follow it; that is, it builds on the Old Testament and is not apart from it. We recognize the truth of the New Testament in part due to its continuity with the Old.

Christ never pits the letter against the spirit or vice versa. What He does do is pit the -true- Law of God against the “laws” of human traditions, which were the -additional- writings and teachings of the scribes and pharisees (now known as the Talmud).

True, some of the Law has passed away, as it was but shadows and forms of the truth manifested in Christ. Not committing adultery, by way of example, is NOT one of those types of Laws.

There is no conflict between Spirit and Letter. Can’t have one without the other, can’t “obey” one without the other.

-Rob

]]> By: wildwest http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6235 wildwest Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:04:35 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6235 COOL! COOL!

]]> By: Jacke http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6234 Jacke Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:42:02 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6234 Now, now, wildwest, I represent that remark! :0 We have a good time for the most part, some very thoughtful discussions, some clowning around, some heated debate. What makes it nice there is that even though we don't always disagree I don't think there is a person in the group that wouldn't fight for another, whether of the same political persuasion or not. In other words, WE'RE FRIENDS. :) Now, now, wildwest, I represent that remark! :0

We have a good time for the most part, some very thoughtful discussions, some clowning around, some heated debate. What makes it nice there is that even though we don’t always disagree I don’t think there is a person in the group that wouldn’t fight for another, whether of the same political persuasion or not. In other words, WE’RE FRIENDS. :)

]]> By: wildwest http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6233 wildwest Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:16:36 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6233 The rest of them aren't clowns like you, Jacke? Then it couldn't be much fun, could it? ;-) The rest of them aren’t clowns like you, Jacke? Then it couldn’t be much fun, could it? ;-)

]]> By: wildwest http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6232 wildwest Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:15:30 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6232 I'll just note that I've discovered through reading lately that these same terms and arguments were tossed around in this country in the 1930s. But I know, I know. I'm reading James MacGregor Burns, and that colors my thinking. Perhaps I should be reading Paul Johnson. Maybe next time. I’ll just note that I’ve discovered through reading lately that these same terms
and arguments were tossed around in this country in the 1930s. But I know, I
know. I’m reading James MacGregor Burns, and that colors my thinking. Perhaps I should be reading Paul Johnson. Maybe next time.

]]> By: Jacke http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6227 Jacke Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:29:54 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6227 wildwest, that and yer need of a good butt whoopin'! ;) J/K, we're looking for more liberals to level the playing field a bit. It's, for the most part a highly intellegent group, not counting me, of course. wildwest, that and yer need of a good butt whoopin’! ;)

J/K, we’re looking for more liberals to level the playing field a bit. It’s, for the most part a highly intellegent group, not counting me, of course.

]]> By: Ron http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210&cpage=1#comment-6225 Ron Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:32:42 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=210#comment-6225 Well, I got the class warfare thing from your assertion that President Bush was subsidizing the rich. That's class warfare talk insofar as I understand the term. Sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning. And I didn't see anything in your post about progressive taxation (which I am a proponent of, though I think the current tax structure is badly designed.) I think doting on the rich would be old and pathetic too if I saw any of it. I don't have to be pro-rich to think that anti-rich talk is old and tired. I'm pro-people of all classes (and races, and creeds, and political affiliations.) But I'm a pragmatist, and find that being anti-people doesn't solve problems. Disagree with someone else's methods? Discuss that. Don't attack the person with whom you disagree. And I didn't say government has NO role, only that it badly handles the roles it takes on, for the most part. It needs to be fixed. When the Red Cross and other charities staged supplies around New Orleans but were told by local (i.e. Democrats) government to stay out, that's a government problem. The charities were there, the government kept them out. A liberal, democrat-led government. Not the Federal government. Which, by the way, in the tsunami and hurricanes, did the best of any government level via the military assistance provided by the Navy (and here, the Coast Guard.) FEMA messed up, yes. Absolutely. But some parts of government at the federal level worked well. Nothing at the local level did that I see, at least in LA. Private charities worked the best of all - where they were allowed in. Well, I got the class warfare thing from your assertion that President Bush was subsidizing the rich. That’s class warfare talk insofar as I understand the term. Sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning.

And I didn’t see anything in your post about progressive taxation (which I am a proponent of, though I think the current tax structure is badly designed.)

I think doting on the rich would be old and pathetic too if I saw any of it. I don’t have to be pro-rich to think that anti-rich talk is old and tired. I’m pro-people of all classes (and races, and creeds, and political affiliations.) But I’m a pragmatist, and find that being anti-people doesn’t solve problems. Disagree with someone else’s methods? Discuss that. Don’t attack the person with whom you disagree.

And I didn’t say government has NO role, only that it badly handles the roles it takes on, for the most part. It needs to be fixed. When the Red Cross and other charities staged supplies around New Orleans but were told by local (i.e. Democrats) government to stay out, that’s a government problem. The charities were there, the government kept them out. A liberal, democrat-led government. Not the Federal government. Which, by the way, in the tsunami and hurricanes, did the best of any government level via the military assistance provided by the Navy (and here, the Coast Guard.) FEMA messed up, yes. Absolutely. But some parts of government at the federal level worked well. Nothing at the local level did that I see, at least in LA. Private charities worked the best of all – where they were allowed in.

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