Comments on: Christ and Immigration http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279 a Christian blog for the rest of us Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:00:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Charity http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-31446 Charity Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:37:47 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-31446 I so agree with you on this blog. God says that we should treat others as though we were them. and also he says care for the least of these. PLEASE keep on ... you rok! I so agree with you on this blog. God says that we should treat others as though we were them. and also he says care for the least of these.

PLEASE keep on … you rok!

]]> By: E. Warner http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-24950 E. Warner Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:01:35 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-24950 I struggle to understand why we (as Christians) believe it's in keeping with the teachings of Christ to be patriotic. I certainly understand it in a worldly sense, but why would Christ support the artificial boundaries created not by God, but by man. It is with this in mind that I don't understand a Christian view against any immigration. I struggle to understand why we (as Christians) believe it’s in keeping with the teachings of Christ to be patriotic. I certainly understand it in a worldly sense, but why would Christ support the artificial boundaries created not by God, but by man. It is with this in mind that I don’t understand a Christian view against any immigration.

]]> By: Eric Lemonholm http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-19082 Eric Lemonholm Sat, 27 May 2006 18:20:34 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-19082 I think our system is just broken, and we need to fix it. We have a demand for workers in our nation, which attracts the supply of workers from Latin America (the businesses are more to blame than the workers, if we are to hand out blame for illegal acts; the workers risk their lives out of desperation to get here). But we don't have a legal way for the workers and employers to connect. I agree with Derick Holms - let's fix the system so that there is a legal way to welcome these workers. If we had a system that reflected the economic and human reality, then we wouldn't need to worry so much about sealing our borders - who would take the huge risks of sneaking across the border in the desert if there was a legal way to cross a bridge? I think our system is just broken, and we need to fix it. We have a demand for workers in our nation, which attracts the supply of workers from Latin America (the businesses are more to blame than the workers, if we are to hand out blame for illegal acts; the workers risk their lives out of desperation to get here). But we don’t have a legal way for the workers and employers to connect. I agree with Derick Holms – let’s fix the system so that there is a legal way to welcome these workers. If we had a system that reflected the economic and human reality, then we wouldn’t need to worry so much about sealing our borders – who would take the huge risks of sneaking across the border in the desert if there was a legal way to cross a bridge?

]]> By: Derick Holms http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-12628 Derick Holms Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:31:11 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-12628 The Malaysia and Singapore Governemnt accepts foreign workers provided they are certified medically fit by their countries appointed doctor, with a specific monthly wages and duration of stays. Instead of tolally shunting the immigrant the US Government should lay down some rulings to controll and accept foreign workers who can earn and send home the wages to support their family. Later if their record is clean them they can apply their family to migrate to US. Example in the issuance of a multi-purposes identification card-embeded with microchip to track their movement. This a fair gasture for both parties on security control expecially when the receipient embark on the interstate travell. The multi-purposes ID can also provide wages transcetion, credit / banking transaction and etc. The Immigration Department should collect a minimum token fee as to lessen the financial burden. You can't tolally shoo them off as US industries needs them to function. As their wages is low. In way US industries can compete or match the Chinese product. The Malaysia and Singapore Governemnt accepts foreign workers provided they are certified medically fit
by their countries appointed doctor, with a specific monthly wages and duration of stays.

Instead of tolally shunting the immigrant the US Government should lay down some rulings to
controll and accept foreign workers who can earn and send home the wages to support their family.
Later if their record is clean them they can apply their family to migrate to US.

Example in the issuance of a multi-purposes identification card-embeded with microchip to track
their movement. This a fair gasture for both parties on security control expecially when the receipient
embark on the interstate travell.
The multi-purposes ID can also provide wages transcetion, credit / banking transaction and etc.
The Immigration Department should collect a minimum token fee as to lessen the financial burden.
You can’t tolally shoo them off as US industries needs them to function. As their wages is low.
In way US industries can compete or match the Chinese product.

]]> By: Shades of Gray http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11915 Shades of Gray Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:08:05 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11915 <strong>Remembering Christ's Teachings</strong> Remembering Christ’s Teachings

]]> By: Tracie http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11742 Tracie Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:20:07 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11742 Well, here's my question: does this extend to Muslim immigrants as well? I think most people are inclined to be nice to the Mexicans because they are at least nominally Christian. Well, here’s my question: does this extend to Muslim immigrants as well?

I think most people are inclined to be nice to the Mexicans because they are
at least nominally Christian.

]]> By: Chris http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11637 Chris Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:41:23 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11637 Just thought I'd let you know this topic is also the topic over at The Foundation. I was also wondering if I could have your permission to link this post of your's to the current edition of The Foundation? http://luthermatrix19.blogspot.com/2006/04/foundation-is-back-this-month.html Peace, Chris Just thought I’d let you know this topic is also the topic over at The Foundation.
I was also wondering if I could have your permission to link this post of your’s to the current edition of The Foundation?
http://luthermatrix19.blogspot.com/2006/04/foundation-is-back-this-month.html
Peace,
Chris

]]> By: Ron http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11614 Ron Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:28:33 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11614 Bob - "So I’m more concerned about making the laws moral than about punishing those that are here in violation of our laws. It’s hard for me to see how coming to the US to work so you can send money home to your poor relatives in Mexico is against God’s will." Sorry, didn't address this in my last answer. I do think we should look at our immigration laws, and morality should be part of the discussion. I don't think that working to better your family is against God's will, but that is a separate issue of what you do to get the job in question. Work is good. Supporting your family is good. Lawbreaking to get the job...not so clearly good. Bob -
“So I’m more concerned about making the laws moral than about punishing those that are here in violation of our laws. It’s hard for me to see how coming to the US to work so you can send money home to your poor relatives in Mexico is against God’s will.”

Sorry, didn’t address this in my last answer. I do think we should look at our immigration laws, and morality should be part of the discussion. I don’t think that working to better your family is against God’s will, but that is a separate issue of what you do to get the job in question. Work is good. Supporting your family is good. Lawbreaking to get the job…not so clearly good.

]]> By: Ron http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11613 Ron Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:26:17 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11613 Bob - Thanks for your answer. I don't think that our immigration laws are de facto immoral, but I do think we need to do a review and perhaps overhaul of them in light of modern needs, economics, human rights and national security. It's a tough balance. RE: Bonhoffer and Parks, I think what they did was brave, and I respect them greatly. I'm not sure if what they did was a sin or not; I'll wait and let God tell me later. However, I will point out that Paul never advocated assasinating Caesar, nor did Jesus say anyone should overthrow Rome. They lived under a government more oppressive than the one under which we live, and told the disciples to, in effect, deal with it and pray that things get better. The only time we can ignore a law is if it's counter to God's law. I don't see our immigration laws as counter to that, and I'm interested in how you defend your belief that immigration laws are immoral based on scripture. "Love thy neighbor" doesn't work for me as a rationale in this instance because loving someone doesn't mean enabling them to break laws that are not clearly violations of God's law. Thoughts? Bob -
Thanks for your answer. I don’t think that our immigration laws are de facto immoral, but I do think we need to do a review and perhaps overhaul of them in light of modern needs, economics, human rights and national security. It’s a tough balance.

RE: Bonhoffer and Parks, I think what they did was brave, and I respect them greatly. I’m not sure if what they did was a sin or not; I’ll wait and let God tell me later. However, I will point out that Paul never advocated assasinating Caesar, nor did Jesus say anyone should overthrow Rome. They lived under a government more oppressive than the one under which we live, and told the disciples to, in effect, deal with it and pray that things get better. The only time we can ignore a law is if it’s counter to God’s law. I don’t see our immigration laws as counter to that, and I’m interested in how you defend your belief that immigration laws are immoral based on scripture. “Love thy neighbor” doesn’t work for me as a rationale in this instance because loving someone doesn’t mean enabling them to break laws that are not clearly violations of God’s law. Thoughts?

]]> By: Tony http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279&cpage=1#comment-11598 Tony Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:57:40 +0000 http://iamachristiantoo.org/?p=279#comment-11598 Isn't it interesting that we have no problem sending jobs to India, that's good for business... but don't want them coming here to work, because that's bad for business. The jobs that went to India were in demand jobs to most middle Americans, while washing dishes and picking strawberries are jobs middle Americans don't want. We argue economy and politics but it sounds more and more like prejudice. Isn’t it interesting that we have no problem sending jobs to India, that’s good for business… but don’t want them
coming here to work, because that’s bad for business. The jobs that went to India were in demand jobs to most middle
Americans, while washing dishes and picking strawberries are jobs middle Americans don’t want. We argue economy and
politics but it sounds more and more like prejudice.

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